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Post-Banlist Meta Analysis [2018 Oct]

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Overview

Today, on October 16th, we received notice of the new Forbidden/Limited List and, in less than a week, changes that will heavily affect some of the current top-tier decks will officially be implemented into the game.

Most of these changes were to be expected, Fur Hires and Amazoness have been dominating in PvP for way too long and their presence alone makes it difficult for any new deck to become competitively viable, but others definitely caught a lot of people by surprise; I’m here to discuss the new Forbidden/Limited List and how it will affect the game in the next few months.

Skill Rebalancing

Cyber Style

[Skill] descriptionUser
Cyber Style (After Banlist)
Can be used each time your Life Points are at 3000 or below. Play 1 "Proto-Cyber Dragon" on from outside of your Deck for every 1000 Life Points below 4000. "Proto-Cyber Dragon" played with this Skill cannot be Tributed or used as a material except when for Fusion Summoning. This skill can nly be used once per Duel.
Zane Truesdale
Zane Truesdale

Cyber Style has been an extremely popular and versatile Skill, almost on the level of the old Balance, and unfortunately a couple decks heavily depended on it; the Skill was originally intended to be used for Fusion Summons, so, starting from October 19th, Proto-Cyber Dragon, when played with this Skill, will only be usable as Fusion Materials.

It only makes sense to see these changes implemented before any Synchro deck is able to truly take advantage of how easy it is to get one or two Level 3 monsters on the field using Cyber Style, but, while I do believe that, thanks to cards like Dynatherium and The Tricky, U.A. and other similar decks will still be viable after October 19th, it can't be denied that they will be severely hindered.

Post Banlist U.A

Example Deck

Sphere KuribohSphere KuribohThe TrickyThe TrickyThe TrickyU.A. Midfielder
U.A. MidfielderU.A. MidfielderU.A. Dreadnought DunkerU.A. Rival RebounderU.A. Mighty SluggerU.A. Mighty Slugger
U.A. Mighty SluggerHey, Trunade!U.A. StadiumU.A. StadiumTreacherous Trap HoleU.A. Penalty Box
U.A. Penalty BoxU.A. Penalty Box----

Set Skill

[Skill] descriptionUser
Beatdown!
This turn, the Atk of all Level 5 or higher face-up monsters on your field increases by the number of monsters of Level 5 or higher on your field times 300.
Seto Kaiba
Seto Kaiba

Notes

Life Cost 0

[Skill] descriptionUser
Life Cost 0 (After Banlist)
Can be used if your Life Points are 1000 or less. Until the end of the opponent's next turn ends, for one time only, you do not have to spend Life Points to activate a card. This Skill can only used once per Duel.
Espa Roba
Espa Roba

Cyber-Stein and Life Cost 0 have always been a great combination and now that cards like Cosmic Cyclone, Solemn Scolding and Gatling Dragon have been added to the game, Cyber Stein OTK decks, while not being always consistent, have become very powerful; the developers have decided that it was time to hit this Skill and thus this type of deck.

Post Banlist Cyber Stein OTK

I’m afraid there is no future for this deck: putting effort into getting a single Fusion Monster out on the field is a terrible idea. If a Fusion Monster with no summoning restriction is released in the future with a good enough effect, I might have to reconsider this statement, but I don’t see that happening so soon.

Forbidden/Limited List

Hey, Trunade! & Treacherous Trap Hole

I want to start from these two cards because of how impactful the fact that they have been added to the Semi-Limited List truly is: any deck that already features cards that are Semi-Limited will have to sacrifice something if they want to use them and even the ones that have not been touched by the Banlist yet will be able to run only one copy of each or two copies of one.

It’s not the first time a Spell/Trap Card that can fit in pretty much any deck ends up in the Forbidden/Limited List, Enemy Controller has been there for quite a long a time, but now there’s three of them.

Amazoness

It’s not the first time we see “Amazoness” cards in the Forbidden/Limited List, the deck survived after Amazoness Onslaught and Amazoness Baby Tiger were added to the Semi-Limited List and, even though this time it will be a lot more difficult, it could still manage to get through these changes.

In a few days Amazoness Princess will join Baby Tiger and Amazoness Onslaught will become Limited, which means that players will still be able to run both, but it also means Amazoness decks will not be able to run Enemy Controller and Treacherous Trap Hole anymore, unless they want to sacrifice their searcher.

Post Banlist Amazoness

Vision HERO Witch RaiderAmazoness PaladinAmazoness PrincessAmazoness PrincessAmazoness QueenAmazoness Swords Woman
Amazoness Swords WomanAmazoness Swords WomanAmazoness TigerFloodgate Trap HoleFloodgate Trap HoleFloodgate Trap Hole
Paleozoic CanadiaPaleozoic CanadiaPaleozoic CanadiaWall of DisruptionWall of DisruptionWall of Disruption
Amazoness WillpowerAmazoness Onslaught--------

Set Skill

[Skill] descriptionUser
Endless Trap Hell
Can be used when you have 3 trap cards in the Graveyard. 1 random Trap Card in your Graveyard is added to your hand. Then, shuffle 1 random Trap Card in your Graveyard into your Deck. This skill can only be used once per Duel.
Odion
Odion

Notes

  • As I said, the deck can still run both Amoness Princess and Amazoness Onslaught, the only problem is that it’s obviously going to be less consistent; Amazoness will essentially go from running five copies of Amazoness Onslaught to running only two.
  • Endless Trap Hell allows you to add to the hand or shuffle back into the Deck Amazoness Onslaught after it has been sent to the Graveyard, even though Cosmic Cyclone and Dragon Spirit of White can prevent this by banishing it.

Fur Hire

Wiz, Sage Fur Hire will be joining Donpa, Marksman Fur Hire in the Semi-Limited List, but, since both Hey, Trunade! and Treacherous Trap Hole will be added too, it’s pretty clear this time Fur Hire decks will not be able to make it so easily; we can safely assume that this deck will drop in popularity and from its current position in the Tier List after the new Banlist.

Post Banlist Fur Hire

Sphere KuribohBeat, Bladesman Fur HireBeat, Bladesman Fur HireBeat, Bladesman Fur HireWiz, Sage Fur HireWiz, Sage Fur Hire
Dyna, Hero Fur HireSeal, Strategist Fur HireSeal, Strategist Fur HireSeal, Strategist Fur HireRecon, Scout Fur HireRecon, Scout Fur Hire
Recon, Scout Fur HireMayhem Fur HireMayhem Fur HirePaleozoic CanadiaPaleozoic CanadiaWall of Disruption
Wall of DisruptionWall of Disruption----

Set Skill

[Skill] descriptionUser
The Tie that Binds
Until the end of you turn, the ATK of all face-up monsters on your field increases by the number of monsters on your field times 100. This skill can only be used once per turn.
Yugi Muto
Yugi Muto

Notes

Playing this deck competitively without at least two copies of Beat, Bladesman Fur Hire, the searcher, will not be easy anymore.

Since both Treacherous Trap Hole and Hey, Trunade! are Semi-Limited, the deck will have trouble generating those quick OTKs; I decided to add Wall of Disruption for protection, since it’s very effective against Vampire decks, and Paleozoic Canadia.

Masked HERO

Vision HERO - Vyon is undeniably a great card, but it being Limited is not what’s going to bring down this deck, what is really going to be an issue for Masked HEROes will be having to choose between Destiny HERO - Celestial, Hey, Trunade! and Treacherous Trap Hole.

Post Banlist Masked HERO

Sphere KuribohSphere KuribohDestiny HERO - DeciderDestiny HERO - DeciderDestiny HERO - DeciderDestiny HERO - Celestial
Destiny HERO - CelestialDestiny HERO - DrilldarkDestiny HERO - DrilldarkVision HERO - VyonCosmic CycloneCosmic Cyclone
Destiny DrawMask ChangeMask ChangeMask ChangePolymerizationPaleozoic Canadia
Paleozoic CanadiaPaleozoic Canadia----
Masked HERO AnkiMasked HERO AnkiMasked HERO AnkiVision HERO TrinityDestiny HERO - Dangerous-

Notes

With the advent of the “Blue-Eyes Meta”, Decider will become an even better card, being able to essentially wall high Level monsters alone, so I would suggest running three copies of him.

Cosmic Cyclone is not the perfect substitute for Hey, Trunade!, but it can definitely be a good card against what will be left of Amazoness after the Banlist.

Paleozoic Canadia is a great way to prevent Protector with Eyes of Blue and Cosmo Brain from Special Summoning Dragon Spirit of White or Blue-Eyes White Dragon, it’s very versatile and it can also be useful in the mirror match.

Vampire

Vampire decks are currently able to run Enemy Controller, Hey, Trunade! and Treacherous Trap Hole, so the new Banlist will still hit them indirectly, forcing them to decide which cards they want to use among these three; additionally Cyber Style will not be a viable option anymore since the Skill doesn’t provide Tribute Material anymore.

Post Banlist Vampire

GozukiGozukiVampire RetainerVampire RetainerVampire RetainerVampire Familiar
Vampire FamiliarVampire FamiliarVampire VampVampire GraceVampire GraceSamurai Skull
Samurai SkullSamurai SkullVampire KingdomVampire KingdomEnemy ControllerVampire's Domain
Treacherous Trap HoleVampire Takeover--------

Set Skill

[Skill] descriptionUser
Beatdown!
This turn, the Atk of all Level 5 or higher face-up monsters on your field increases by the number of monsters of Level 5 or higher on your field times 300.
Seto Kaiba
Seto Kaiba

Notes

  • Hey, Trunade! was used to enable quick OTKs, taking advantage of Enemy Controller and the ability to swarm the field of the deck, but, if Amazoness go down in popularity, there is less of a reason to run it.
  • Enemy Controller and Treacherous Trap Hole can deal well with Blue-Eyes as long as Azure-Eyes Silver Dragon is not protecting them from targeting; these two cards can be used to prevent the deck from Special Summoning Blue-Eyes White Dragon or Dragon Spirit of White and from Synchro Summoning.

Silent Spellbook

This deck already runs only one copy of Treacherous Trap Hole, it’s not going to be affected by any of these changes; Silent Spellbook deals well with Blue-Eyes, I would go as far as saying it’s the worst matchup for the deck, but the paywall does hinder it a lot.

What Next?

I honestly believed that Blue-Eyes had a good shot at becoming the next meta deck even before this new Forbidden/Limited List, what these changes are going to do is to simply make its job easier; I expect to see Spellbook, Masked HERO and Vampire decks as the main alternatives to Blue-Eyes, Amazoness will probably hold on for a while, Fur Hire will drastically drop in popularity.

Comments

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Anonymous
why are people celebrating the new banlist? fur hire and amazon were the most viable f2p decks. now we have to spend money or reset just to get vampire or bewd. other decks are for rich people.
<< Anonymous
Dig Bick Reply
Good lord, what a bunch of whinnies. With furs and amazoness going down even current tier 5 decks can push for KOG. You just need to git gud. In KOG page I see the likes of hazy, dark+silent magician, etc reach KOG. You just have to grind a bit more without having to depend on the meta
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
well, this is the most perfect banlist possible to bring variety to meta. i use amazoness mainly but i am tired of dueling the same 3 decks over and over

now people will have to use brains more often
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
I’m not really celebrating fur hire’s nerf (I thought the last nerf was enough), but I absolutely am celebrating Amazons getting hit for the sole fact that I despise Amazoness Onslaught. It is probably my most hated trap in the game. Good riddance imo
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
Good riddance frankly. I'm sick to death of HFH (aka baby's first deck). As ftp, I have managed fine with aquiring a Vampire, Inzektor and Aromage deck.
Lol at n00bs
This game has never been expensive anyway, soon another f2p deck will be released and the very same noobs who kept losing to sylvans, d-heros, amazons and fur hires will be complaining.

That's the nature of a loser.
The guys never win, but they believe they have the right to insult others and call the game a "cash grabber".
<< Anonymous(Lol at n00bs)
Anonymous Reply
Konami developer?
It is not polite to call your customers a losers even if they are poor.
<< Anonymous(ofc)
Anonymous Reply
Actually the fakers complaining about the game, complaining about players, trolling around, and those positive players that act high and mighty are the same persons.

Yeap I'm one of them. Keep whining this is free and I can buy every box without spending. "Komoney"? I'm offended y'know n00bs!
<< Anonymous(Lol at n00bs)
Quebec Reply
I agree with the op, there are some ill dudes who keep insulting other users and absolutely hate everything konami releases. Very suspicious.
<< Anonymous(Lol at n00bs)
Anonymous Reply
Cyberdark is ALREADY F2P
I can imagine people whining soon.
New minibox will be budget meta as well.
Anonymous
i pity those who bought vyon 3 times .. lol
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
"If there's to blame then it's the Anki abusers themselves" --> True. How can you play the same game for 6 months...
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
Anki definitely would still see play even after this nerf.

We still have enough good DARK "HERO" monsters in the game, both Drilldark and Decider are still at 3 copies, Malicious and Celestial are at 2 copies, and Vyon runs just fine at only 1 copy. For backrow, other than 3 Mask Change, just add cards like Galaxy and Cosmic Cyclone, Floodgate, WOD, and Canadia.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
If Konami keep doing scapegoat hits like this, they will eventually have to semi limit every single good DARK "HERO" monster in the game, which is ridiculous.

Seriously, sooner or later they will have no choice but to hit Anki directly.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
^
This.
Wtf dude
Do you guys read the comments(?), every freaking day it's the same: "konami is trying to sell this, komoney this, komoney that, oh yeah they are greedy b*stards, everything is expensive".


DUDE SERIOUSLY THE AMOUNT OF DECEPTION IS EXCESSIVE, I didn't believe it at first, but now I truly think some greedy folks want to boycott just to get rid of a competitor. Thanks to last Espa roba's event I've farmed plenty of gems and event the most expensive of all decks cost you 3$, how do you say it's expensive? anyway, I guess it's just pointless to talk to malicious folks.
<< Anonymous(Wtf dude)
Anonymous Reply
You are a developer from Konami?
Just ignore that 🔥.
<< Anonymous(Wtf dude)
Kansas Reply
Oh boi... I love re4
<< Anonymous(Wtf dude)
Anonymous Reply
"You are a developer from Konami?"

--That guy must be a Spaniard
Just saying.

Yes, I love RE4 as well. Descriptive enough.
<< Anonymous(Wtf dude)
Anonymous Reply
3$? for what? C'mon, you need to forget about a lot of boxes and wait for a Tier 0 🔥 deck if you want to keep playing in the game and be competitive. Leveling most of chars is not enough, even if they are the greatest source of gems so far. If that is how I should play (and enjoy) this game, then I'm out of here. If you want to enjoy, then you have to pay, not few but tons of money.
Anonymous
You will get around 3000 gems by creating new account. Spend 1000 gems on the new structure deck, pay a few bucks for another one and you will have 3 copies of Dragon Spirit of White. Then spend the rest of your gems on Stardust Acceleration to get 3 Protector (also Azure and Silver's Cry if you are lucky). Go to rank, win and collect gems, after you get R ticket you should use it to get Ancient Rules
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
Easy 2 get the "most expensive" deck...
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
"being FTP is easy, all you gotta do is delete your account and start a new one every time a new tier 1 deck comes out!"
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
You miss the point of playing the game. Enjoyment comes in being able to TRY MANY THINGS, SPENDING A COUPLE OF NIGHTS TO MAKE YOUR ORIGINAL DECK with all the card you have accumulated since Ultimate Rising box up to the present ones. That's the challenge and satisfaction of this game. Create your own formula. Rerolling and those 9999+ gems is for desperate and hollow people.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
I'm noticing some kind of pattern here, seems like losers keep calling anyone who wins: "Meta slave", "brain dead copy-paste player", "unoriginal", etc, etc. Well, I think it's ok to play whatever you want to, but you don't have to be such a sore loser and act in such lame way just because you lost in rankeds :/
Berri
Y'all act like f2p is becoming impossible now when there was almost nothing f2p about Amazonesses. Just switch to Aromages and you're good to go. Geez.
<< Anonymous(Berri)
Anonymous Reply
Amazoness is F2P though.

Swordswoman, Sage, Tiger : drop from Mai
Princess : ranked UR ticket, was a drop during Elegant Mai event
Queen : level up Mai
Onslaught : merely an R, not that hard to obtain
<< Anonymous
Berri Reply
I mean the backrow that you get from boxes. The deck is nothing without that expensive backrow.
<< Anonymous(Berri)
Anonymous Reply
But the backdrop will carry to other decks. Wall is generic, so is mirror wall, candida. Their not amazonas exclusive
Honestly guys...
Let's say you bought a deck with gems, it's kinda ridiculous to even think you can't actually have the same amount of gems (or maybe even more) after 4-5 months when the deck you bought finally gets a nerf (if such thing actually happens).
<< Anonymous(Honestly guys...)
Kevin Reply
Yes, you can't just simply expect a deck to be tor tier forever, the new banlist doesn't affect me at all because well, those decks were kinda all and I just have plenty of gems to spend on the upcoming mini box.
<< Anonymous(Honestly guys...)
Anonymous Reply
This game has never been expensive.
<< Anonymous(Honestly guys...)
Anonymous Reply
Thanks to espa roba's event i got tons of gems for free.
<< Anonymous(Honestly guys...)
Anonymous Reply
I've got like 40+ pages of gems in my gift box
Anonymous
I have three copies of every card in the game with 9999 gems saved and I am totally free to play. STOP COMPLAINING and play a new deck for once :)
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
That isn't possible unless you are using mod. Would you please just stfu already about your gems? You are on here 24 hours a day, so you don't even have time to grind for even half of what you say.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
He's probably paid to shill for Komoney, otherwise he'll be sweeping the streets.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
He is probably just trolling lol!!!
Hmmm...
Let's say you bought a deck with gems, it's kinda ridiculous to even think you can't actually have the same amount of gems (or maybe even more) after 4-5 months when the deck you bought finally gets a nerf (if such thing actually happens).
<< Anonymous(Hmmm...)
Anonymous Reply
Dudes wasted it all getting themselves 3 x Canadias / 3 x Floodgates for their Amazoness wall of hate.
<< Anonymous(Hmmm...)
Anonymous Reply
-_-" are you for real?
the cards are not called "Amazoness Canadia", nor "Amazoness Floodgate".

They are TRULY useful in plenty of decks, not just amazoness, and also floodgate is such an old card, many folks already had those cards from gladiator best era and even before that.
<< Anonymous(Hmmm...)
Well man... Reply
My gift box has 25 pages of gems already !
Anonymous
The new box is coming with a lot of META material. I can't wait to see the same pathetic idiots complaining and asking for nerfs, it's going to be funny.
It doesn't matter if they nerf/limit more cards... probably the next time such thing happens will be feb-mar 2019, plenty of time to get tons of gems.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
IKR !!!
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
I'm going to need you to level with me op and explain WHY YOU think this new box is meta instead of attacking anonymous users of slovakian knitting forum
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
New box is already meta material because of buster blader
Anonymous
I like how people are celebrating this, but just the more expensive decks are just gonna be meta. I mean I like my vampires are gonna be more meta, but Spellbooks are 100% paywall, UA is mostly UR cards from a main box, and blue eyes can be f2p, but obviously the competitive version will be the expensive variant of it.

But I guess Fur hire and Amazoness can still fight while Sylvans just died after 1 ban.
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
some fresh air is always nice
<< Anonymous
Anonymous Reply
Spellbooks aren't "100% paywall", only the Silent Magicians are.

U.A. actually only has 1 main box UR specific to them, Midfielder. The rest of the main box UR the deck runs, are generic backrow cards that can also be used by other decks, so they kinda don't count.

Other than those two points, I can agree with you.
Zetsubou
I think that a fusion of amazoness deck and masked hero could be more viable after the changes.
<< Anonymous(Zetsubou)
D. Diva Reply
With the nerf in cyber style, i can't see this happening...
<< Anonymous(Zetsubou)
Anonymous Reply
I don't think they can even mix in the first place. They have two different playstyle.

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